Election Thread [Flaming Allowed] [If yOu don't support

BEES · Post by **BEES** » Fri Mar 18, 2016 9:31 pm

lol at the thread title

who doesn't support sanders? other than mark i guess... maybe acams if he comes back....

succotash_54 · Post by **succotash_54** » Fri Mar 18, 2016 9:33 pm

Exactly. She may be the unironic embodiment of everything Machiavelli satirized, but the Republican frontrunner is Satan with a toupee. The man's picture should be in the dictionary as the definition of "corrupt." I firmly believed that if by some catastrophe he gets elected, he will gut the country like a twelve-point buck and deposit it into his offshore accounts. I genuinely would not put it past him to invoke eminent domain to frack and develop our national parks. The man is pure evil.

BEES · Post by **BEES** » Fri Mar 18, 2016 9:42 pm

I feel like if republicans had a moderate like mccain or something, sure. Let her lose. But they don't. So really rather than punishing dems for running a toxic candidate you're rewarding republicans for nominating casino mussolini... someone definitely unequivocally worse

BEES · Post by **BEES** » Fri Mar 18, 2016 9:51 pm

politics don't get to be pretty usually. both parties are in someone's pocket and it's gonna be a slow painful process removing these parasites through grassroots internet organization.

there will be many races where we have no choice but to choose between which corporate overlords we'd rather have... and sometimes the glaxo/goldman candidate will be the only one willing to preserve hard-won civil rights that the koch/murdoch candidate will fight to remove

we live in a new gilded age and tammany hall is the only thing keeping this country from exploding in a nuclear fireball. we must fight to destroy tammany from the inside but also to prevent the know-nothings who are even worse from defeating tammany

in 4-8 years we'll fight again and win next time and get our next teddy roosevelt but we've got to keep the country standing until then. hope that analogy makes sense

Post by **V900** » Sat Mar 19, 2016 4:29 pm

<blockquote class='quote_blockquote'><dl><dt>Cha0sFerret</dt><dd>Mar 16 2016, 09:35 PM</dd></dl><div>Trump's reputation is already ruined though.[/quote]I would say that his currently 100+ delegate lead says differently.

Toxic · Post by **Toxic** » Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:12 pm

<blockquote class='quote_blockquote'><dl><dt>Mr. AS</dt><dd>Mar 19 2016, 04:29 PM</dd></dl><div><blockquote class='quote_blockquote'><dl><dt>Cha0sFerret</dt><dd>Mar 16 2016, 09:35 PM</dd></dl><div>Trump's reputation is already ruined though.[/quote]I would say that his currently 100+ delegate lead says differently.

[/quote]Trump has brought the racists and the mouthbreathers out of the woodwork to get that lead. I truly hope that once he wins the GOP nomination that the rest of the U.S will have a wake up call and be like "Whoa wait a second" and not vote for him, but I fear that that won't happen.

My wifes dad is a hardcore republican who does not support Trump but will vote for him come November if he is the nominee just because he's the republican nominee. It's the most ignorant and ill informed way to vote, but if he is doing it I reckon millions of others will too.

I am truly terrified for the future of this country.

I think it says alot when our presidential election comes down to a liar vs. a racist conman. No matter what happens now, I feel as if 2020 or 2024 will lead to a real revolution....if it doesn't happen sooner in a more bloody way.

Post by **V900** » Sat Mar 19, 2016 7:31 pm

<blockquote class='quote_blockquote'><dl><dt>Toxic</dt><dd>Mar 19 2016, 06:12 PM</dd></dl><div>Trump has brought the racists and the mouthbreathers out of the woodwork to get that lead. [/quote]Must be a lot of "racists and mouthbreathers" that are showing up to the polls and switching over from the democrats to vote for Trump if that's the case.

succotash_54 · Post by **succotash_54** » Sat Mar 19, 2016 9:08 pm

<blockquote class='quote_blockquote'><dl><dt>Mr. AS</dt><dd>Mar 19 2016, 07:31 PM</dd></dl><div><blockquote class='quote_blockquote'><dl><dt>Toxic</dt><dd>Mar 19 2016, 06:12 PM</dd></dl><div>Trump has brought the racists and the mouthbreathers out of the woodwork to get that lead. [/quote]Must be a lot of "racists and mouthbreathers" that are showing up to the polls and switching over from the democrats to vote for Trump if that's the case. [/quote]It's not so much that, as it is the establishment Republicans have divided all the sensible votes. Look at the primary results: Hairpiece isn't really pulling any major sweeps, they only looked like that because the majority of the votes were torn primarily between Cruz and Rubio, with Kasich parsing a little bit as well. But Kasich has never had enough ground game to be a serious threat. He took Ohio because he was governor there. He can't win anywhere else. I'm actually more surprised Rubio floundered so badly. He was younger, better liked by the establishment than the other two, and could have lined up all the GOP donors. But he got lost in the shuffle trying to get votes from Cruz.

On paper, Hairpiece IS the moderate candidate... but he's already too well-known as a liar, a manipulator, a system-gamer, and a narcissist to be able to spin it to make him look like a moderate. Add to that his rabid hate speech and he's not a moderate. He's only anti-establishment until he gets to be the establishment.

It'll be really interesting to see what happens now that Rubio's out. As I said, Kasich never had a chance, so it's really two-man now, and most of the states still unassigned yet are primarily blue, so they aren't states that the Republicans will win in November anyway, but in a blue state, even the red voters are a little more magenta for it.

The other side of that coin though is, there are plenty of people who say Cruz is the more dangerous, and would rather see Hairpiece get it because they believe there's no chance in hell he'll will the general. And I have some liberal friends who want Hairpiece to win the nomination because in addition to having no chance, they believe he'll burn down the Republicans' house, just take the whole party down in flames and ashes.

I say that's too risky a chance. Our best bet to get a semi-respectable nominee is to force it to go to a brokered convention. The problem is, though, that Kasich and Rubio each only garnered less than 200 delegates apiece, so to really force a brokered convention, Cruz and Assbag need to pretty much tie at the end of it all. That's way too much precision engineering to bet that will actually happen. So failing that, I'm pulling for Cruz to come from behind now that it's pretty much just him against the Dickhole.

Post by **V900** » Mon Mar 21, 2016 12:47 am

<blockquote class='quote_blockquote'><dl><dt>succotash_54</dt><dd>Mar 19 2016, 09:08 PM</dd></dl><div>On paper, Hairpiece IS the moderate candidate... but he's already too well-known as a liar, a manipulator, a system-gamer, and a narcissist to be able to spin it to make him look like a moderate. Add to that his rabid hate speech and he's not a moderate. He's only anti-establishment until he gets to be the establishment. [/quote]You listed all of those things and didn't even give any examples. :-/ It's pretty safe to assume that by "hate speech" you're most likely referring to Trump's plan to clamp down on illegal (keyword here being illegal) immigrants, unless you have something else in mind.

Trump's starting to pick up even more steam than he already did. Hell, he won 4/5 states during last weeks Super Tuesday (the 5th state being Kasich's home state, although Trump pulled the Florida carpet out from under Rubio), bumping him up something like 200 delegates alone. If Cruz and Kasich can't even win against Trump, how do they expect to beat Hillary, who just 5-0'd Bernie?

BEES · Post by **BEES** » Tue Mar 22, 2016 1:05 am

It's looking like this could be the year religious evangelism loses its grip on the presidency. Either that or in the next few elections. Trump, Sanders, and Clinton are all running fairly secular campaigns.

That would be quite something. The GOP has dominated national politics by holding together a shaky marriage between the religious right, the military right, and the business right. Trump is assembling a very different coalition though. He's supporting trade protectionism... something that hasn't been on the Republican ticket in... what? a century? And he's eschewed religious conservatism. Something that hasn't been tried since I don't know... well before my lifetime... Goldwater maybe? In return he's pulling in a new group that hasn't been catered to so much by Republicans before: the populist right. And with that we would see a realignment of the parties.

I really don't know what to think. Is Trump good or bad news for democrats? Who's more electable Clinton or Sanders? Very tough to gauge the answers to those. This is a very strange year. Wouldn't be surprised if the red/blue map in November looks very different from the ones we've been used to.

In my own state there have been some changes on the democratic side to what types of candidates are making it out of their primaries.

TotallyNotSatan · Post by **TotallyNotSatan** » Tue Mar 22, 2016 1:41 am

<blockquote class='quote_blockquote'><dl><dt>Spatula</dt><dd>Mar 18 2016, 09:42 PM</dd></dl><div>I feel like if republicans had a moderate like mccain or something, sure. Let her lose. But they don't. So really rather than punishing dems for running a toxic candidate you're rewarding republicans for nominating casino mussolini... someone definitely unequivocally worse[/quote]Well, I mean, there is Kasich. Much more moderate than the other GOP candidates, and he actually has morals. I'm a staunch Sanders supporter, but I might just end up supporting Kasich if it's him vs. Clinton.

BEES · Post by **BEES** » Tue Mar 22, 2016 10:30 pm

<blockquote class='quote_blockquote'><dl><dt>TotallyNotSatan</dt><dd>Mar 22 2016, 01:41 AM</dd></dl><div><blockquote class='quote_blockquote'><dl><dt>Spatula</dt><dd>Mar 18 2016, 09:42 PM</dd></dl><div>I feel like if republicans had a moderate like mccain or something, sure. Let her lose. But they don't. So really rather than punishing dems for running a toxic candidate you're rewarding republicans for nominating casino mussolini... someone definitely unequivocally worse[/quote]Well, I mean, there is Kasich. Much more moderate than the other GOP candidates, and he actually has morals. I'm a staunch Sanders supporter, but I might just end up supporting Kasich if it's him vs. Clinton.[/quote]Kasich is actually less of a moderate than Trump on numerous issues, he just comes across as more reasonable because he doesn't hate brown people.

succotash_54 · Post by **succotash_54** » Wed Mar 23, 2016 8:49 am

<blockquote class='quote_blockquote'><dl><dt>Mr. AS</dt><dd>Mar 21 2016, 12:47 AM</dd></dl><div><blockquote class='quote_blockquote'><dl><dt>succotash_54</dt><dd>Mar 19 2016, 09:08 PM</dd></dl><div>On paper, Hairpiece IS the moderate candidate... but he's already too well-known as a liar, a manipulator, a system-gamer, and a narcissist to be able to spin it to make him look like a moderate. Add to that his rabid hate speech and he's not a moderate. He's only anti-establishment until he gets to be the establishment. [/quote]You listed all of those things and didn't even give any examples. :-/ It's pretty safe to assume that by "hate speech" you're most likely referring to Drumpf's plan to clamp down on illegal (keyword here being illegal) immigrants, unless you have something else in mind.

Drumpf's starting to pick up even more steam than he already did. Hell, he won 4/5 states during last weeks Super Tuesday (the 5th state being Kasich's home state, although Drumpf pulled the Florida carpet out from under Rubio), bumping him up something like 200 delegates alone. If Cruz and Kasich can't even win against Drumpf, how do they expect to beat Hillary, who just 5-0'd Bernie?[/quote]He has endorsed violence on protesters, only to back off and say, "Well I didn't mean literally!" when he almost got arrested for inciting riots. And not just illegal immigration, he's threatened to actually embargo all Muslims, even those absolutely obeying the legal process. He has filed for bankruptcy numerous times to maintain his personal fortunes-- system gamer. His empire rose on the grounds of money borrowed from his father and ties to the mafia, not his own hard work (liar and corrupt). The man exhibits just about every classic symptom of narcissism to boot.

I'm hoping he's only picked up steam because the rest were divided between Cruz and Rubio. Now that Rubio is gone, Republicans and sane people alike are hoping that Cruz absorbs his base and embarrasses the flaming Assbag from here on out. At least to force a brokered convention. And even then, the Republican convention may change its own rules (which they can legally do, btw) to free delegates from forced voting in the first round.

Also, there's a huge difference between winning in party and winning the general. The scopes are much more narrow in the primaries, not to mention voter turnout is much lower in primaries than the actual election. People who may not like the candidates from a party will vote in the general just to prevent the greater evil from getting in. Not to mention in actual caucused states, you have to actually be a party member and be present at a location to vote. That's a big difference. Washington is a caucused state, and we vote through the mail rather than going to polling places... big difference from the caucus vote that we haven't had yet.

Bernie's got a tough road, but he just had blowouts in Utah in Idaho, but Arizona seems to have been a huge clusterfuck with the way things were run. The West Coast will hopefully be a huge boost for him.

Spatula, I was watching C-SPAN and callers from Ohio, both red and normally-blue people were calling in saying they were supporting Kasich in their primary because of all the things he actually accomplished for them, fulfilling a lot of his promises. Kasich's the Republican I'm hoping for, but he mathematically has no chance, I believe. Best he can hope for is a brokered convention.

Bernie's my choice, followed by Kasich, then distantly by Cruz..... and the other two only make the pecking order by default with her being slightly less evil than him.

TotallyNotSatan · Post by **TotallyNotSatan** » Thu Mar 24, 2016 9:38 am

Plus, the AZ election was likely fraudulent, what with the Maricopa county being forced to drive three times the usual distance and stand in 6-hour lines to vote only to be told that long-time Democrats or Republicans were mysteriously registered as Independent and thus couldn't vote. This happened for both parties. Probably not enough to change the Republican vote, as it's WTA, but enough to swing the Democrat vote most likely(we're looking at a 10-15 delegate shift.)

MassimoV · Post by **MassimoV** » Fri Mar 25, 2016 7:56 pm

if you ain't voting Vermin Supreme, you ain't voting at all